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November 20, 1970 THE POLEMIC Page 3 "More than our national leadership cares to admit, the intensive bombing of Laos since 1968 has dramatically increased the flow of refugees, and, inevitably, the toll in civilian casualties." Senator Edward Kennedy, May,7, 1970 Hearing before the Subcommittee to Investigate Problems Connected with Refugees and Escapees Committee on the Judiciary Senate " ... all air strikes except some are validated by the Ambassador to Laos and to my knowledge the maximum care is taken to avoid the causing of civilian casulaties. "I will comment that there is one additional item on this point, Mr. Chairman, that the use of napalm against civilians is not permitted."-- --Dennis Doolin, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for East Asia and Pacific Affairs. Interview with Laotion Civilian (This interview· was taped with 'the sub-district chief from sub-district Khat, up on the Plain of Jars. It was taped in the refugee camp at Ban Na Nga, 40 Kilometers outside of Vientiane. The people came down to Vientiane in February, 1970. The sub- district appointed sub-district chief when he came down here. There are about 2,600 people living in the ref- ugee camp.) 0. What position do you have here? A. My position is sub-district chief. 0. Where did you come from? A. I came fcom sub-district Khat, Pek district, Xiegn Khouang province. 0. On the Plain of Jars? A. Yes, on the Plain of Jars. 0. In Sub-district Khat, how many villages are there? A. In sub-district Khat, there are 21 villages total. 0. Were there many people who died from the airplanes bombing? A. A certain number of villagers died from the airplanes bombing. 0. How many villages were wounded by the airplanes? A. There were many. 0. When the airplanes came to bomb you, what kind of bombs did they use? A.They used 100 kilo bombs, 1000 kilo bombs, anti-personnel bombs, small bombs, 250 kilo bombs. 0. Only those bombs? A.No. O.There were no burning bombs? A.There were also many napalm bombs, burning bombs, as well as destructive bombs. O.Which kind of bomb were there the most of? A.The anti-personnel bombs were the most, together with the 500 kilo bombs. There were also many na- 0. The pilot was what man? A. The pilot was an American. 0. Did they use napalm often? A. Yes, they used it often. 0 . Now, as you said villagers died, the majority were what age? Old, young, average people, what kind were the majority? A. The majority were old people and children. 0. Why? A. They moved too slowly. When the airplanes came, they couldn't run quickly, they couldn't make it... MADISON (CPS)--Dick Gregory told an audience of 1500 at Ripon College that," America has found a new nigger-- the white College student." "Today," Gregory said, "the white college student is America's newest 'nigger'," after citing intervals in US history when the Jewish, Irish, Italian, and black man had served the role and been forced to reject it. He asserted that the murder of four Kent students marked their initiation into the "nig- ger" role. WESTENBARGER I I GIFTS,COSMETICS, AND GREETING CARDS SPECIALIZING IN ALL NEEDS FOR THE COLLEGIATE 101 N. SECOND AVE. PHONE 354-8606 ALP ENA,M ICHIGAN gs NO CAL POP AVE. PARTY STORE Sugar Free 16 oz. 6 for 89c Pepsi Cola 16 oz. Party Pak 1 qt. 8 for 99C p I u s de po s ; t . 20c each plus deposit Q. Now, there were 21 villages up on the Plail'.l-Of lars, Eight, A. Yes, 21 on the Plain of Jars. pal 11, 0011 r . -- .---~~~~==='-'·=-Open-4Jnfil=-Midnigh+=., ==-==-=.c.===-~"--==""1L===-=~ I . 0. Now, among those 21 villages, are there still any houses left? A. Now, among those 21 villages, there is not a single house left? 0. Why is there not a single house left? A. The airplanes bombed them. 0. The airplanes bombed them all? 'A. Yes. 0. Now, the airplanes came since 19 hundred and what? A. The airplanes bombed from 1965 until 1967, but they didn't bomb much. But from 1968 until 1969, the airplanes bombed heavily. 0. In one month (during 1969) how many times did they come to bomb? A. In one month they came many times. In one month say 30 days, on one day they might come one time, or they might come two time in a day, or they might come seven or eight times in a day. 0. When the airplanes came, where were the people? A. When the airplanes came the people went into trenches or into the caves. 0. Did the people only enter into the trenches when the airplanes came, or did they stay in the trenches all the time? A. The people went in the trenches when the airplanes came. When the airplanes went away the people came out. They went out to farm their gardens, to go up in the mountains and to build. O. When the airplanes came, how did you feel? A. When the airplanes came the people felt that they were afraid the air- planes would think that they were soldiers of the North Vietnamese army. For that reason, the people wanted to save their lives, so they entered into the trenches to hide in order to protect themselves. O.There were many napalm bombs? A.Yes. 0. Did they ever drop napalm in the villages? A. They did drop napalm in the vill- ages. O.Now, did the airplanes come during the day or at night? A.Airplanes came more during the day. O.During the day they came? A. Yes. During the day many came, At night a few came. And in 1969 during the day a lot came and during the night a lot came also. O.When the airplanes came, did they come very low, or very high, when they dropped their bombs? A. When the airplanes had arrived, they came aown very low, they dropped their bombs, then they went up. 0. Now in 1964-65, there were what kind of planes? A. ln1964-65 there were AT-6 and T-28 airplanes. 0. 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